Our interview with Dr. Gardner C. Taylor is in the Fall edition of Leadership Journal. I reflected a few times on the conversation in July. I imagine I’d like to revisit the experience again, in a bit, now that the Journal has printed a portion of the time we spent with this preaching hero.
It looks like a little less than half of our questions and his answers were able to be printed. That means I walked away from that conversation with more gifts than I thought! I have his melodious tone in my ears talking about things that can feel a little like secret wisdoms given to me and Marshall Shelley, the Journal’s editor.
Leadership hasn’t put the interview online yet. I won’t attempt to reprint it either. You should subscribe if you’re interested because, well, you can’t have my copy.
I will offer you two glances here from the interview.
Have you faced different struggles during different phases of your life? I think they’re mostly the same struggles. They just get recycled. At root they are the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life. Everyone experiences them, though some people seem not to. I think though, that people who do not have these struggles miss something. They may be “innocent,” but they miss something. Like that old hymn says:
Sure I must fight if I world reign;
Increase my courage, Lord.
I’ll bear the toil, endure the pain,
Supported by Thy Word.
I sang those things in my childhood. I didn’t know what the song was talking about then, but I think I know now.
Sometimes I envy people who are free of that struggle. But to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure I would want to be one of them.
And another, after Rev. Taylor had said something about being aware that we are strangers and pilgrims, not exactly home. Re-reading this took me back to the deep stare in his eyes as he looked beyond us. I wondered what he saw.
Tell us what you mean by “home.” All in all, life’s a great experience. But by faith we believe there’s a better one. It’s hard to imagine what it can be like. At the point I have reached, one ponders more and more what it’s like. It does not yet appear. But this we know, the Bible says, that “we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”
Those are tremendous things to wrestle with. Not too much for the human mind to ponder, but too much for it to have. I cannot picture this. The best I can do is try and understand the crude symbolism that we’re given. Our home will be far richer, far finer than anything we can think of. The maker of that home is God.